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Post by Richard on Jan 8, 2015 15:41:53 GMT
Hi just a quick question what ratio do you guys work with for building your armies ? Is there at common ratio, I was thinking of 1/20 but I'm a bit confused as this would give me 20 figures for 500man battalions and 50 figs for a 1000 man batt. On 30x60 bases this is only one base for 500men and two bases for a 1000 man batt , does this sound about right ?
Richard
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Post by tim on Jan 8, 2015 16:08:34 GMT
I use 20:1 ish which gives a 36 fig battalion on 2 40x30 bases. Depends on the rules you are using of course, the rules I use a battalion is a battalion and just it's fighting value that changes due to being 500 men or 800. Consequently I can put on the base what I think looks good.
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Post by Richard on Jan 8, 2015 20:40:25 GMT
Yes the march attack rules make things easier, I really want to crack on with some of my own armies this year and really want to get into my head how I want my bases to look, I was thinking 60x30 because it gives me room for a more scenic base wich I like. I might have to think again! As two of these bases per battalion would be a lot of painting and work.
I'm very indecisive on basing its a tough decision , one I will have to live with once started.
I'm re-reading march attack at the moment and as I'm providing both armies I can make it for any basing setup ,
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Post by curlerman on Jan 8, 2015 22:07:14 GMT
To be honest I don't worry to much about figure ratios. I tend to play high level games so I decide on the ground scale, select a base size and what level element I'm representing and then I cram on as many figures as i can.. Bob
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Post by grizzlymc on Jan 9, 2015 1:11:00 GMT
There are three variables here: 1. Base size in mm 2. Groundscale 1mm=X 3. Figure scale.
By convention, wargmers do not usually worry about getting the depth right; our units are commonly too deep, except perhaps for artillery.
An approach is to figure what battlefield you want to be able to accomodate on your table, this gives you a ground scale. From this you can make a base for a French line Bn (180 paces or about 120m for six companies), then figure out how many figs you want on the base and from this calculate a figure:man ratio.
My approach was a bit different. For brigade level fights in Latin American wars of Independence, I wanted a figure =10 men in a single rank and a company frontage = 4 figures. Adlers just squeeze onto a company frontage of 15mm, so my Bn was 90mm in 3 ranks. This gave me an acceptable battle on my dining table.
Frontage is important, because it affects wheeling, depth just adds a few clunky bits to the rules.
Of course, you can avoid the issue by declaring time and distance to be so abstract that they can't be measured.
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Post by Sho on Jan 9, 2015 15:22:22 GMT
In 6mm I use 4 bases per (double)unit. Front of all bases together in line must represent 200m in real world. 1200 infantry or 800 cavalry or 400 artillery men (16 guns) per (double)unit. For big battles 200m=4cm and fig/men ratio together with markers are approximately 1:60. For small skirmish battles ground scale is 200m=8cm and figure ratio 1:20.
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Post by Richard on Jan 10, 2015 9:17:31 GMT
Right guys my decision is made I'm going with the march attack basing format 40x30 for infantry and cav and 30x30 for everything else. Fingers crossed this will work for me. My era will be 1815 and I'm either going to start with quatra bras oob or the battle around hougamont oob both of wich will give me a good starting formations .
Richard
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Post by tim on Jan 10, 2015 12:28:39 GMT
Well done that man!! Perhaps we might get a face to face battle somewhen in the future Just about to finish my first French division (commander- Maximilien Sebastien Foy who was in the attack on Hougoumont) might have the wrong pattern flags tho' ! Tim
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Post by Richard on Jan 10, 2015 12:33:18 GMT
Sounds like an interesting plan as I'm starting on Brits anyway. Is there an oob for hougamont re-fight anywhere, that you might have seen ( the Brits should be done in a week or two lol) I wish
Richard
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Post by tim on Jan 10, 2015 12:58:53 GMT
Have a look at this, might be helpfull: link
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Post by Richard on Jan 10, 2015 13:09:57 GMT
I found this. That's a lot of foot for the French !
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Post by tim on Jan 10, 2015 13:14:32 GMT
Only 18 battalions, just finishing my 12th
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Post by Richard on Jan 10, 2015 13:34:09 GMT
From memory wasant there british artillery overlooking hougamont on a ridge, and French 12pdr gun battery's to to the right of hougamont from the French facing side?
Richard
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Post by tim on Jan 10, 2015 22:37:55 GMT
I think there were several batteries from both side overlooking it but because of the lay of the land and the woods roundshot was not effective. Most of the damage was done by shell and shrapnel mainly from howitzers.
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